Osama bin Laden, ucis de un comando american în Pakistan (UPDATE)

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Osama bin Laden a fost ucis de americani în Pakistan, a anunţat Preşedintele Barack Obama care a mulţumit autorităţilor pakistaneze pentru cooperare. În august anul trecut, americanii primiseră informaţii credibile privind locul în care se ascunde Osama bin Laden. Potrivit unor informaţii, teroristul a fost împuşcat în cap într-o rafală trasă dintr-un elicopter de asalt …

Osama bin Laden a fost ucis de americani în Pakistan, a anunţat Preşedintele Barack Obama care a mulţumit autorităţilor pakistaneze pentru cooperare. În august anul trecut, americanii primiseră informaţii credibile privind locul în care se ascunde Osama bin Laden. Potrivit unor informaţii, teroristul a fost împuşcat în cap într-o rafală trasă dintr-un elicopter de asalt american.  Televiziunile pakistaneze au difuzat imagini cu chipul desfigurat al unui bărbat despre care susţin că e Osama bin Laden (update – de fapt nu era fotografia lui bin Laden, era o făcătură, mai fusese difuzată).

Actualizare #1. Mesajul lui George W. Bush

La începutul acestei seri, președintele Obama m-a sunat să mă informeze că forțele americane l-au omorât pe Osama bin Laden, conducătorul rețelei Al Qaida care a atacat America pe 11 septembrie 2001. L-am felicitat pe el și bărbații și femeile din armată și serviciile secrete care și-au dedicat viața acestei misiuni. Ei au recunoștința noastră eternă. Această realizare măreață constituie o victorie pentru America, pentru oamenii din toată lumea care doresc pacea, ca și pentru cei care au pierdut persoane dragi pe 11 septembrie 2001. Lupta împotriva terorismului continuă, dar în această seară America a trimis un mesaj neechivoc: oricât de mult va dura, dreptatea va fi înfăptuită.

Actualizare #2. Declarația lui Obama

 

Actualizare #3. Transcript-ul discursului președintelui Obama

THE PRESIDENT: Good evening. Tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world that the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda, and a terrorist who’s responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men, women, and children.

It was nearly 10 years ago that a bright September day was darkened by the worst attack on the American people in our history. The images of 9/11 are seared into our national memory — hijacked planes cutting through a cloudless September sky; the Twin Towers collapsing to the ground; black smoke billowing up from the Pentagon; the wreckage of Flight 93 in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, where the actions of heroic citizens saved even more heartbreak and destruction.

And yet we know that the worst images are those that were unseen to the world. The empty seat at the dinner table. Children who were forced to grow up without their mother or their father. Parents who would never know the feeling of their child’s embrace. Nearly 3,000 citizens taken from us, leaving a gaping hole in our hearts.

On September 11, 2001, in our time of grief, the American people came together. We offered our neighbors a hand, and we offered the wounded our blood. We reaffirmed our ties to each other, and our love of community and country. On that day, no matter where we came from, what God we prayed to, or what race or ethnicity we were, we were united as one American family.

We were also united in our resolve to protect our nation and to bring those who committed this vicious attack to justice. We quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al Qaeda — an organization headed by Osama bin Laden, which had openly declared war on the United States and was committed to killing innocents in our country and around the globe. And so we went to war against al Qaeda to protect our citizens, our friends, and our allies.

Over the last 10 years, thanks to the tireless and heroic work of our military and our counterterrorism professionals, we’ve made great strides in that effort. We’ve disrupted terrorist attacks and strengthened our homeland defense. In Afghanistan, we removed the Taliban government, which had given bin Laden and al Qaeda safe haven and support. And around the globe, we worked with our friends and allies to capture or kill scores of al Qaeda terrorists, including several who were a part of the 9/11 plot.

Yet Osama bin Laden avoided capture and escaped across the Afghan border into Pakistan. Meanwhile, al Qaeda continued to operate from along that border and operate through its affiliates across the world.

And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda, even as we continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network.

Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by our intelligence community, I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden. It was far from certain, and it took many months to run this thread to ground. I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside of Pakistan. And finally, last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action, and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.

Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. A small team of Americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability. No Americans were harmed. They took care to avoid civilian casualties. After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body.

For over two decades, bin Laden has been al Qaeda’s leader and symbol, and has continued to plot attacks against our country and our friends and allies. The death of bin Laden marks the most significant achievement to date in our nation’s effort to defeat al Qaeda.

Yet his death does not mark the end of our effort. There’s no doubt that al Qaeda will continue to pursue attacks against us. We must –- and we will — remain vigilant at home and abroad.

As we do, we must also reaffirm that the United States is not –- and never will be -– at war with Islam. I’ve made clear, just as President Bush did shortly after 9/11, that our war is not against Islam. Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader; he was a mass murderer of Muslims. Indeed, al Qaeda has slaughtered scores of Muslims in many countries, including our own. So his demise should be welcomed by all who believe in peace and human dignity.

Over the years, I’ve repeatedly made clear that we would take action within Pakistan if we knew where bin Laden was. That is what we’ve done. But it’s important to note that our counterterrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to bin Laden and the compound where he was hiding. Indeed, bin Laden had declared war against Pakistan as well, and ordered attacks against the Pakistani people.

Tonight, I called President Zardari, and my team has also spoken with their Pakistani counterparts. They agree that this is a good and historic day for both of our nations. And going forward, it is essential that Pakistan continue to join us in the fight against al Qaeda and its affiliates.

The American people did not choose this fight. It came to our shores, and started with the senseless slaughter of our citizens. After nearly 10 years of service, struggle, and sacrifice, we know well the costs of war. These efforts weigh on me every time I, as Commander-in-Chief, have to sign a letter to a family that has lost a loved one, or look into the eyes of a service member who’s been gravely wounded.

So Americans understand the costs of war. Yet as a country, we will never tolerate our security being threatened, nor stand idly by when our people have been killed. We will be relentless in defense of our citizens and our friends and allies. We will be true to the values that make us who we are. And on nights like this one, we can say to those families who have lost loved ones to al Qaeda’s terror: Justice has been done.

Tonight, we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals who’ve worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome. The American people do not see their work, nor know their names. But tonight, they feel the satisfaction of their work and the result of their pursuit of justice.

We give thanks for the men who carried out this operation, for they exemplify the professionalism, patriotism, and unparalleled courage of those who serve our country. And they are part of a generation that has borne the heaviest share of the burden since that September day.

Finally, let me say to the families who lost loved ones on 9/11 that we have never forgotten your loss, nor wavered in our commitment to see that we do whatever it takes to prevent another attack on our shores.

And tonight, let us think back to the sense of unity that prevailed on 9/11. I know that it has, at times, frayed. Yet today’s achievement is a testament to the greatness of our country and the determination of the American people.

The cause of securing our country is not complete. But tonight, we are once again reminded that America can do whatever we set our mind to. That is the story of our history, whether it’s the pursuit of prosperity for our people, or the struggle for equality for all our citizens; our commitment to stand up for our values abroad, and our sacrifices to make the world a safer place.

Let us remember that we can do these things not just because of wealth or power, but because of who we are: one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you. May God bless you. And may God bless the United States of America.

Actualizare #4. ABC: Bin Laden – înmormântare islamică asigurată de autoritățile americane
ABC News’ Jonathan Karl (@jonkarl) reports: Now that bin Laden has been killed and his body has been positively identified, what is to be done with his remains?

U.S. officials tell me the last thing they want is for his burial place to become a terrorist shrine.

To avoid that, an informed source tells me, the intention is the bury his body at sea — leaving no definitive location for the final resting place of his body.

A senior administration official tells my colleague Jake Tapper this about the body: „We are ensuring it is handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition. It’s something we take seriously and therefore it’s being handled in an appropriate manner.‬”

Under Islamic tradition, ABC’s Zunaira Zaki reports, the body would be washed by Muslim men and buried as soon as possible, usually by the next prayer (Muslims pray five times a day), although there may be delays under certain circumstances (for autopsies, for example). The body is usually buried in a simple white sheet — whether buried in the ground, or at sea.

Actualizare #5: CNN: Cadavrul lui Osama bin Laden a fost aruncat in mare. Cotidianul The Guardian relatase ca trupul acestuia urmeaza sa fie ingropat in mare, pentru a se evita transformarea mormantului acestuia in loc de pelerinaj, asa cum s-a intamplat in cazul lui Sadam Hussein (hotnews.ro).

Bin Laden’s body was later buried at sea, an official said. Many Muslims adhere to the belief that bodies should be buried within one day.

The official did not release additional details about the burial, but said it was handled in keeping with Muslim customs.

 

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  1. Vlad M.Spune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    Obituary: Osama bin Laden

    In his death on May 2, 2011, Osama bin Laden kept a promise made in a 2006 audio message.

    Alluding to the United States’ hunt for him, the al-Qaeda leader stated his determination to avoid capture: „I swear not to die but a free man.”

    His death ends the largest manhunt in history that began a decade ago involving thousands of US troops in Afghanistan and tens of thousands of Pakistani soldiers in the rugged mountains along the border.

    Whether reviled as a terrorist and mass murderer or hailed as the champion of oppressed Muslims fighting injustice and humiliation, bin Laden changed the course of history.

    Challenging the might of the US, the most powerful nation ever, he masterminded a string of attacks against it and then built a global network of allies to wage a war intended to outlive him.

    The man allegedly behind the suicide hijack attacks of September 11, 2001, was the nemesis of former US President George Bush, who pledged to take him „dead or alive” and whose two terms were dominated by a „war on terror” against his al-Qaeda network founded in 1988.

    With his long grey beard and wistful expression, bin Laden became one of the most instantly recognisable people on the planet. His gaunt face stared out from propaganda videos and framed a US website offering a $25 million bounty. In 2007, that bounty was doubled.

    Born in Saudi Arabia in 1957, one of more than 50 children of millionaire businessman Mohamed bin Laden, he lost his father while still a boy.

    Osama’s first marriage, to a Syrian cousin, came at the age of 17, and he is reported to have at least 23 children from at least five wives. Part of a family that made its fortune in the oil-funded Saudi construction boom, bin Laden was a shy boy and an average student, who took a degree in civil engineering.

    Radicalisation

    A book by US writer Steve Coll, The Bin Ladens, suggested the death in 1988 of his extrovert half-brother Salem was an important factor in Osama’s radicalisation.

    The elite Al Thagher Model School in the Saudi city of Jeddah also exposed him to the ideas of political Islam.

    Steve Coll wrote that “bin Laden’s introduction to Islam as the basis for political, and potentially violent-activism, was through informal sessions run by the Al Thagher’s teachers”.

    A key influence on Osama was Dr Abdullah Azzam, a Palestinian professor and member of the Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood.

    During his stay at Abdulaziz University, Saudi Arabia, Osama was hugely influenced by Azzam’s radical views.

    It is believed that Azzam encouraged bin Laden to solicit funds and recruit Arab fighters for the Afghan war against Russians.

    The US’ Central Intelligence Agency provided a conduit for him to join the fight in Afghanistan.

    Osama’s slide away from the US was first observed when he raised objection to US military presence in Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf war against Iraq.

    The Saudi monarch smelled rebellion in Laden and expelled him 1991. He was stripped of his Saudi citizenship in 1994 and his assets were frozen.

    Trail of attacks

    He declared war against the very United States which had spent billions of dollars bankrolling the Afghan resistance in which he had fought.

    Al-Qaeda embarked on a trail of attacks, beginning with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing that killed six and first raised the spectre of Islamist extremism spreading to the United States.

    Bin Laden was the prime suspect in bombings of US servicemen in Saudi Arabia in 1995 and 1996 as well as attacks on U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 that killed 224.

    In October 2000, suicide bombers rammed into the USS Cole warship in Yemen, killing 17 sailors, and al-Qaeda was blamed.

    Disowned by his family and stripped of Saudi citizenship, bin Laden had moved first to Sudan in 1992 and later resurfaced in Afghanistan before the Taliban seized Kabul in 1996.

    With his wealth, largesse and shared radical Muslim ideology, bin Laden soon eased his way into inner Taliban circles as they imposed their rigid interpretation of Islam.

    From Afghanistan, bin Laden issued religious decrees against US soldiers and ran training camps where fighters were groomed for a global campaign of violence.

    Recruits were drawn from Central, South and Southeast Asia, the Middle East, Africa and even Europe by their common hatred of the United States, Israel and moderate Muslim governments, as well as a desire for a more fundamentalist brand of Islam.

    After the 1998 attacks on two of its African embassies, the United States fired dozens of cruise missiles at Afghanistan, targeting al Qaeda training camps. Bin Laden escaped unscathed.

    The Taliban paid a heavy price for sheltering bin Laden and his fighters, suffering a humiliating defeat after a US-led invasion in the weeks after the September 11, 2001 attacks.

    Escape to Pakistan

    Al-Qaeda was badly weakened, with many fighters killed or captured. Bin Laden vanished — some reports say US bombs narrowly missed him in late 2001 as he and his forces slipped out of Afghanistan’s Tora Bora mountains and into Pakistan.

    But the start of the Iraq war in 2003 produced a fresh surge of recruits for al-Qaeda due to opposition to the US invasion.

    Apparently protected by the Afghan Taliban in their northwest Pakistani strongholds, bin Laden also built ties to an array of south Asian militant groups and backed a bloody revolt by the Pakistani Taliban against the Islamabad government.

    Amid a reinvigorated al-Qaeda propaganda push, operatives or sympathisers were blamed for attacks from Indonesia and Pakistan to Iraq, Turkey, Egypt, Kenya, Morocco, Algeria, Mauritania, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Spain, Britain and Somalia.

    Tougher security in the West and killings of middle-rank al-Qaeda men helped weaken the group, and some followers noted critically that the last successful al Qaeda-linked strike in a Western country was the 2005 London bombings that killed 52.

    Diatribes

    But, by his own account, not even bin Laden anticipated the full impact of using 19 suicide hijackers to turn passenger aircraft into guided missiles and slam them into buildings that symbolised US financial and military power.

    Nearly 3,000 people died when two planes struck New York’s World Trade Center; a third hit the Pentagon in Washington, and a fourth crashed in a field in rural Pennsylvania after passengers rushed the hijackers.

    „Here is America struck by God Almighty in one of its vital organs,” bin Laden said in a statement a month after the September 11 attacks, urging Muslims to rise up and join a global battle between „the camp of the faithful and the camp of the infidels”.

    In video and audio messages over the next seven years, the al-Qaeda leader goaded Washington and its allies. His diatribes lurched across a range of topics, from the war in Iraq to US politics, the subprime mortgage crisis and even climate change.

    A gap of nearly three years in his output of video messages revived speculation he might be gravely ill with a kidney problem or even have died, but bin Laden was back on screen in September 2007, telling Americans their country was vulnerable despite its economic and military power.

    The vulnerability still remains, as death could make him an even more powerful motivator for his supporters.

  2. George DanielSpune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    Asta cred ca e surpriza promisa vineri de Vantu. Mi-l si inchipui, intr-o discutie cu „golanul tanar”, aka Ghita de la Asesoft:
    „Tinere, i-am cerut voie prietenului tau Magureanu sa impusc cativa teroristi, ca de raketi ma saturasem. Nu mai aveam un loc liber pe dealurile Moldovei”.

  3. Alex NicolinSpune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    O „victorie” pe cat de scumpa, pe atat de irelevanta azi.

  4. Liviu CrăciunSpune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    a) Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader; he was a mass murderer of Muslims.
    be) We are ensuring it is handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition.

  5. George DanielSpune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    Se pare ca poza care circula cu Osama mort e un fake. Cert este ca:
    1. Associated Press a retras poza de pe flux
    2. Armata americana nu a dat publicitatii imagini proprii de la eveniment si nici nu a recunoscut autenticitatea pozei care circula acum.

    Alex Nicolin, de ce este o victorie scumpa? Era scumpa daca Occidentul pornea acest razboi cu extremismul islamic. Si nu este nici irelevanta: cred ca trebuie sa fim multumiti ca armata americana a ucis simbolul atentatelor de la 11 septembrie 2001. Bin Laden a ordonat orgnizarea a sute de atacuri impotriva unor tinte militare sau civile. Nicio lege din lumea asta nu l-ar fi exonerat. Pe de alta parte, sa nu uitam ca a fost ucis intr-un schimb de focuri!

  6. Costin A.Spune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    Liviu #4, cred ca ce a zis obama este mai important chiar si decit uciderea lui osama, intr-un fel.

    So why is the body of a mass murderer of Muslims being handled in accordance with Islamic tradition? Aren’t U.S. officials thereby tacitly acknowledging that bin Laden was a Muslim leader, notwithstanding Barack Obama’s protestations to the contrary?

  7. GMTSpune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    da, george, era o făcătură, am scos-o si am precizat asta

  8. Costin A.Spune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    AP a retras poza, dar nu si aljazeera in araba.. ????

  9. George DanielSpune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    In toata lumea civilizata a existat un singur tampit nemultumit ca bin Laden nu a beneficiat de un proces: Victor Ponta. Asteptam acum cu interes reactiile domnilor Gaddafi, Fidel Castro si Kim Jong Il.

    GMT, scuze, nu am vazut update-ul.

  10. Costin A.Spune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    Robert Spencer: Osama Gets His Virgins

    Osama bin Laden has gone to the great bordello in the sky that awaits every good jihadi.

    Barack Obama explained that the jihadist mastermind was killed in a “targeted operation: at Abbottabad, Pakistan: “A small team of Americans carried out the operation. After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body.”

    Obama also said that the killing of bin Laden was the “most significant achievement to date” in America’s war against al-Qaeda.

    It is undoubtedly significant. Osama bin Laden was wildly popular in the Islamic world. In the wake of the 9/11 attacks Osama t-shirts, hats, and even dolls and action figures sold briskly in many Muslim countries, belying the mainstream media myth that 9/11 was the action of a tiny minority of extremists that had twisted and hijacked Islam, and were duly despised by the vast majority of Muslims. Polls all over the Islamic world always showed a healthy amount of support for bin Laden and, above all, respect for him as a pious mujahid.

    But in reality, while the death of bin Laden is fine news, and is certainly a psychological blow to the jihadis and a confidence-booster for Americans, it really won’t change anything.

    The role of al-Qaeda in the global jihad, and the role of Osama bin Laden in al-Qaeda, have both been wildly overstated. Al-Qaeda is not the only Islamic jihad group or Islamic supremacist group operating today, and Osama bin Laden was not some charismatic leader whose movement will collapse without him. The exaggeration of his role, in fact, was a result of the general unwillingness to face the reality that the global jihad is a movement driven by an ideology, not an outsized personality, and that that ideology is rooted in Islam.

    Barack Obama epitomized that unwillingness in his address announcing the death of bin Laden. “The US is not – and never will be – at war with Islam,” Obama declared. “Bin Laden was not a Muslim leader. He was a mass murderer of Muslims.” Osama bin Laden himself would have been surprised to be characterized (and by a leader who is probably not a Muslim himself) as “not a Muslim leader.” After all, in his 2002 letter to the American people explaining his motives and goals, he wrote: “The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.”

    Bin Laden explained in this letter to Americans that “it is to this religion that we call you; the seal of all the previous religions….It is the religion of showing kindness to others, establishing justice between them, granting them their rights, and defending the oppressed and the persecuted….It is the religion of Jihad in the way of Allah so that Allah’s Word and religion reign Supreme.”

    This perspective on Islam wasn’t just bin Laden’s. Millions of Muslims worldwide share it, and that won’t end with the death of Osama. The US is not – and never will be – at war with Islam, as Obama says, but significant elements of Islam are – and always will be – at war with the U.S. Nothing that happened during that firefight in Abbottabad will change that, and Obama’s continued focus on al-Qaeda as if it were a singular and eccentric group of non-Muslim Muslims that is the cause of all our troubles only perpetuates the unreality that has already led to so many disastrous policy errors.

    Until Barack Obama and other Western leaders face the fact that Osama bin Laden was operating within the broad mainstream of Islamic teaching, they will be constantly puzzled by the advent of new bin Ladens, and new al-Qaedas, all over the globe. How is it that all these disparate individuals and groups misunderstand Islam in all the same way? Until U.S. officials can answer that question correctly, we will have made no headway, no matter how many al-Qaeda masterminds we corner and kill in Pakistan.

    So Osama bin Laden, after years of silence punctuated by mysterious gnomic utterances delivered (how? by whom?) to the media, finally joins Generalissimo Franco in the ranks of the still dead. It is good news as far as it goes, which is not really all that far. I have hoisted a suitably haram beverage in toast of the happy news. And then it was back to work. The jihad will go on, and so will I, and so, I hope, will you.

  11. Costin A.Spune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    ???? ???? Marea Moschee din Paris: Scufundarea trupului lui Osama bin Laden în mare este contrară tradiţiei

    Conform posturilor de televiziune americane CNN şi MSNBC, trupul lui Osama ben Laden a fost scufundat în mare, într-un loc neprecizat, respectând tradiţiile musulmane.

    O sursă apropiată rectorului Marii Moschei, Dalil Boubakeur, s-a declarat „foarte surprinsă” de aceste informaţii, care „cer să fie verificate”.

    Această sursă a subliniat că, potrivit tradiţiei musulmane, „corpul unui defunct trebuie mai întâi spălat cu apă şi săpun, apoi numai cu apă şi în final cu apă amestecată cu camfor, înainte de a fi înfăşurat în trei bucăţi de stofă”.

  12. bugsySpune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    wag the dog, cu un regizor beat (nu, nu e Oliver Stone. El va face filmul „OBL” in doi, maxim trei ani)

  13. Vlad M.Spune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    ???? Bietii infideli, de ce s-or fi bagand la ceva ce ii depaseste?

  14. George DanielSpune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    Ar trebui spalat cu sapun de casa, facut din grasime de porc. Vlad? ????

  15. George DanielSpune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    Gelu Voican Voiculescu, la RTV: stirea data azi de Obama in legatura cu uciderea lui Osama este o manipulare generata de relansarea in campanie de catre presedintele american. De fapt, Osama ar fi fost lichidat dupa 2004. ????

  16. Liviu CrăciunSpune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    MICHAEL SCHEUER: Well I would hope so, maam. I think that we have advertised – we in the United States have advertised that the war in Afghanistan was meant to destroy Osama bin Laden. That’s done. Obviously we’re losing that war, so this may well be a good time to pull up stakes and get out. There’s no guts – there’s no determination here amongst our leaders to win that war. They don’t have enough troops to win that war. And so, this may be a good excuse for them to get out of there.

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/con…..205794.htm

  17. Costin A.Spune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    The most influential Islamic institution among Sunni Muslims condemns the sea burial of Osama bin Laden.

    (ANSAmed) – CAIRO, MAY 2 – The body of Osama bin Laden must be buried in the ground, and throwing it into the sea would be a ‘sin’, said Mahmoud Ashour of the Al Azhar Academy of Islamic Research, the most prestigious Sunni educational institute, while speaking to ANSA.

    The Al Azhar official rejected the idea of sea burial of the Al Qaida leader for „trivial motives”, explaining that even when someone drowns, the body must be searched for in order to be able to „bury it in the ground”. „They should bury it in the ground without putting anything on the grave,” explained Ashour, responding to a question about whether Osama bin Laden’s burial could become a sort of pilgrimage site. (ANSAmed).

    Fratia musulmana din Egipt e de acord cu Ponta: Egypt Muslim Brotherhood condemns Bin Laden death

    CAIRO – Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, a conservative organization with links around the Islamic world, has condemned the killing of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden by U.S. forces as an „assassination.”
    The Brotherhood, which seeks the establishment of a state run according to Islamic principles through peaceful means, is Egypt’s most powerful and organized political movement.
    The statement Monday said the group „is against violence in general, against assassinations and in favor of fair trials.”
    Bin Laden and his jihadist allies, however, have repeatedly condemned the Brotherhood’s more moderate approach and willingness to work within the system.
    The Muslim Brotherhood will be competing for half of Egypt’s parliamentary seats in September’s elections.

  18. GMTSpune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    Mie îmi place ca cei care… criminali, ucigaşi, ce sunt ei, cei care încalcă legea să fie judecaţi. Dar, oricum, cred că este un semnal bun pentru lumea occidentală. Sper ca reacţiile în lumea islamică să nu fie atât de rele cum ni le putem imagina în acest moment”, a afirmat Ponta.
    Iti dai seama, George, daca l-ar fi judecat Costiniu pe Bin Laden?

  19. Daniel FrancescoSpune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    Astept ca IslamulAzi, care si-a aratat consternarea prinvind controlul efectuat de DIICOT pentru activitati conexe terorismului, sa „emane” un comunicat in care sa-si afirme bucuria si satisfactia pentru lichidarea lui Osama bin Laden, dusmanul lumii civilizate.

    Presupun ca o vor face imediat, cu aceeasi diligenta cu care au condamnat actiunile autoritatilor romanesti axate pe combaterea activitatilor teroristo-criminale.

  20. George DanielSpune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    Pai era simplu. In primul rand, era judecat in libertate ca doar nu era pericol public. In al doilea rand, se dadeau termene din 6 in 6 luni, iar bin Laden schimba mereu avocatii, motiv de noi si noi amanari. Apararea in dreapta, sus, la Hotnews. Procese amanate de … 212 zile … 893 zile … 1483 zile …

  21. roadrunnerSpune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    Cum naiba de statea ala in suburbia aia a Islamabadului, o suburbie afluenta plina de generali pakistanezi iesiti la pensie? Si in ditamai compoundul? So much for our „allies”! ????

    Foarte bun interviul cu Michael Scheuer de la #16.

    Nu mai am timp sa stau pe subiect, in doua ore plec in vacanta, la bunica (in Romania, adica). La buna (re)vedere.

  22. GMTSpune:

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    mai 2, 2011

    Asta da nu-i dadea NUP, in prealabil, Ponta ????

    Si reacţia Noricai Nicolai e de luat in seama:
    Norica Nicolai: Uciderea lui bin Laden era predictibilă

    Europarlamentarul român Norica Nicolai, vicepreşedinte al subcomisiei pentru Securitate şi Apărare din Parlamentul European, a declarat pentru romanialibera.ro că uciderea liderului terorist Osama bin Laden nu trebuie privită ca o surpriză.

    Cei care monitorizează scena internaţională se aşteptau la o acţiune împotriva lui bin Laden, despre care se ştia de mult timp că se ascunde în Pakistan”, a precizat Norica Nicolai.

    Potrivit europarlamentarului român, trei evenimente recente cu rezonanţă globală prefigurau uciderea lui Osama bin Laden: „În primul rând, a fost refuzul Indiei de a cumpăra avioane de vânătoare de la firma americană Lockheed Martin, asta pentru că existau informaţii că SUA colaborează intens cu Pakistanul pentru prinderea lui bin Laden. Apoi, a fost numirea intempestivă a generalului David Petraeus, om cu experienţă în Irak şi Afganistan, în fruntea serviciului secret CIA. Şi, în al treilea rând, decizia guvernului de la Cairo de a ridica blocada impusă Fâşiei Gaza, un alt semn de colaborare internaţională”.

    Norica Nicolai a adăugat că se aşteaptă la „atentate suicidare sporadice”, ca răspuns al celulelor grupării teroriste al-Qaeda la uciderea fondatorului bin Laden. „Nu cred totuşi că va fi vizată Europa deoarece ţările de pe continent nu au avut niciun merit în această acţiune. Statele Unite sunt ţinta cea mai probabilă”, a completat Norica Nicolai.

    Cât despre bucuria publică din SUA la aflarea veştii privind moartea lui bin Laden, europarlamentarul român a apreciat că „reacţia americanilor este explicabilă fiindcă ei au fost cel mai puternic loviţi de al-Qaeda, dar la nivel global cred că entuziasmul ar trebui să fie temperat„.

  23. emil b.Spune:

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    Am rezerve fata de interpretarea doamnei Nicolai. Se banuia prezenta lui Osama in Pakistan, dar mai degraba in Waziristan, nu intr-un oras la 30 de mile de Islamabad. Un reportaj radio de azi dimineata (post de stiri canadian) a mentionat ca Obama l-a instiintat pe presedintele Pakistanului despre aceasta operatiunie dupa ce a a avut loc. Situl Long War Journal afirma ca ISI, serviciul secret pakistanez, nu a fost implicat in operatiunea americana.

    Foreign governments, including Pakistan, where the raid took place, were sidelined, according to The Washington Post. A US intelligence official with knowledge of the raid told The Long War Journal that Pakistan, specifically its Inter-Services Intelligence agency, „could not be trusted” with operational details of the raid.

    Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/…..z1LDVZwsH8

    Argumentul cu Petraeus este o speculatie post-factum. CIA a lucrat cu mult inaintea numirii lui la descifrarea identitatii celor doi curieri personali ai lui Osama. Asa s-a ajuns la identificarea locatiei sale. Mutarea lui Petraeus din urma cu o saptamana a fost interpretata in diverse feluri de analistii americani. Nu am observat la nimeni perspicacitatea de care da dovada doamna Nicolai dupa moartea lui bin Laden. Racirea relatiilor indo-americane poate fi pusa mai degraba pe seama politicii externe Obama in regiune. Bush a avut acelasi scop declarat de a-l prinde pe bin Laden, a colaborat cit a putut cu pakistanezii, dar relatiile indo-americane nu au avut de suferit in perioada lui. Al treilea indiciu, ridicarea blocadei Fasiei Gaza de catre Egipt, este cu totul opac: care e legatura?

  24. George DanielSpune:

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    Emil, Norica e o habarnista. Gelu a pus citatul doar pentru a distra, nu cred ca dorea sa fie comentat asa cum te-ai chinuit tu ????
    Oricum, sa fim atenti la cerinta doamnei: entuziasm temperat ????

  25. roadrunnerSpune:

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    Situl Long War Journal afirma ca ISI, serviciul secret pakistanez, nu a fost implicat in operatiunea americana.

    Daca-l implicau, gaseau o vila goala… ????

    Racirea relatiilor indo-americane

    Asta-i inca un exemplu de „entangling alliance”… Ne punem bine cu pakistanezii iar, indienii, normal, se supara. Pakistanezii se fac ca-l cauta, dar de fapt ne trag in piept.

    Au fost unii implicati in operatiune, ca nu poti s-o faci chiar de unul singur. Cumparati probabil cu bani grei, ca la bazar. Sa urmarim denuntarile de agenti straini din Pakistan, cine vor fi pusi la zid, sau chiar linsati de-a binelea.

    Gata, acum chiar am plecat… ????

  26. emil b.Spune:

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    Corect George ???? Am pus la Monitorul o stire proaspata. Acum e de urmarit cat de „temperata” va fi doamna Nicolai ????

  27. emil b.Spune:

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    Varianta animata, productie din Taiwan.



  28. George DanielSpune:

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    Emil, Norica a fost seful Comisiei parlamentare pentru anchetarea presupuselor escale efectuate de avioane CIA in Romania ???? Ea a negat mereu ca ar exista inchisori aici. Eu as zice slava Domnului ca au existat. Astfel s-au salvat mii de vieti omenesti.

  29. GMTSpune:

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    emil, george m-a ghicit, aia cu nicolai o dadusem la misto in contextul declaratiilor lui Ponta cu judecarea lui bin Laden, asta daca nu i-ar fi dat el NUP. Norica bate campii, vrea sa se dea informata, la curent, e de rasul lumii.

  30. emil b.Spune:

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    E clar acuma. Nu stiam de hramul doamnei, cred ca am auzit despre ea in urma cu cativa ani, ceva controversat parca. Nu conteaza…

  31. George DanielSpune:

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    @Gelu
    Din fericire Emil nu stie asa multe despre politica interna, daca stia se prindea si nu se mai obosea sa scrie atat pentru a arata ceea ce noi stiam oricum, ca Norica e un Crin fara freza aranjata.

    @Emil
    Principalul scandal in care a fost implicata a fost cand a votat nepoata sa in locul ei, la Parlament. Norica plecase la cafeluta si o lasase pe aia mica cu carteluta in mana. Caza penal, dar sa trecem.
    A mai fost un scandal, mai putin mediatizat, insa cel putin la fel de grav. La un moment dat a fost propusa de PNL pentru a ocupa functia de ministru la Justitie, insa presa a publicat „mapa profesionala”. Norica fusese procuror in timpul regimului comunist, iar din mapa reiesea ca i-ar fi stat mai bine la Justitie inainte de 1989 decat dupa ????
    Acum, oricand apare la TV, la fiecare 3 fraze rosteste de 2 ori „Traian Basescu”, persoana pe care ea o banuieste ca si-ar fi dat acceptul ca „mapa profesionala” sa fie publicata in presa.

  32. emil b.Spune:

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    Aha… mersi George.

    Dar acum e acum. Merg la vot. Azi sunt alegeri nationale in Canada. Socialistii sunt pe cai mari. De obicei se bat pt locul 3 cu separatistii din Quebec, dar ultimele sondaje ii arata in fruntea liberalilor, pe locul doi nu departe de conservatori. Daca iese iar guvern minoritar conservator, dar socialistii iau suficient de multe locuri in parlament ca sa formeze o coalitie cu alt partid, se deschide posibilitatea sa ceara guvernatorului Canadei sa formeze un guvern de coalitie majoritar. In acest caz, Jack CO2 Layton ar deveni prim-ministru. Dar sa vedem…

  33. SilvaproSpune:

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    * Numai respect de rit musulman sau de altfel nu merita ben-Laden. Ce respect dau teroristii sau fiarele islamiste corpului omensc dupa ce il linseaza? Am auzit ca defileaza prin orasel cu organele victimelor si chiar de acte de canibalism. Si in privinta lui Osama ben Laden se formalizeaza despre de cite ori a fost spalat si daca cu apa si sapun sau numai cu apa?

    * Un mic highlight din discursul lui Obama:

    That is the story of our history, whether it’s the pursuit of prosperity for our people, or the struggle for equality for all our citizens

  34. George DanielSpune:

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    Emil, va urez sa votati bine ????

  35. Costin A.Spune:

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    Francesco, uciderea lui Osama este discutata pe forumul islamulazi aici.

    La un moment dat este citat unul dintre comentarii:

    Eu am tot respectul si toata admiratia despre acest om [Osama bin Laden] si nimeni niciodata nu ma poate schimba. Asta e parerea mea si sunt libera sa ma afirm, Alhamdullilah.

    Comentariul original a fost sters..nu l-am mai gasit pe fir. Citeva comentarii mai la vale, Andreevici spune:

    Assalamu alaykum.

    Din acest moment nu am să mai intru pe forum, până când dna. lavinia nu va fi degradată de la rangul de Administrator.

    Nu am nimic cu nimeni dar nu pot să accept asemenea opinii mai ales când vin din partea unui ADMINISTRATOR al acestui forum, este ca și cum ai permite să ajungă la conducerea unei univeristăți islamice unui om cu astfel de simpatii…sunt sigur că nemusulmani chiar o să vă înțeleagă respectul pentru Bin Laden, pur și simplu mă înfurie astfel de opinii. Tolerez orice fel de opini dar nu tolerez opinii care prejudiciează imaginea unei religii a păcii, nu pot să tolerez astfel de opinii care nu fac decât să provoace ură și respingere. Un om care ucide civili nu este martir și punctum.

    Vă mulțumesc tuturor pentru timpul petrecut pe acest forum!Toate cele bune.

    Selam.

    … iar administratoarea forumului, lavinia, este cea care pare sa fi provocat aceasta reactie din partea unui alt administrator, cel mai activ si cu cea mai multa autoritate, Ascary, care atentiona postacii ieri:

    Atentie sporita ce scrieti si cum scrieti.
    Toata lumea este cu ochii pe forumurile islamice.
    Fara sa vrem putem dauna grav imaginii islamului
    si a musulmanilor. Avem dreptul la opinie si libera
    exprimare,dar poate ca totusi in astfel de momente
    este bine sa tinem pentru noi ceea ce simtim.

    Forumistii sint foarte atenti la ce spun si tind sa cred ca se folosesc de taqyyia. minciuna in islam nu este doar permisa, e obligatorie in astfel de cazuri.

  36. Costin A.Spune:

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    Demonstratie pro Osama bin Laden in Pakistan: „Bin Laden was the hero of the Muslim world and after his martyrdom he has won the title of great mujahed”

    QUETTA, Pakistan (AFP) – Hundreds took to the streets of Pakistan’s city of Quetta on Monday to pay homage to Osama bin Laden, chanting death to America and setting fire to a US flag, witnesses and organisers said.
    Angry participants belonging to a religious party in Quetta, the capital of southwestern province Baluchistan, were led by federal lawmaker Maulawi Asmatullah. They also torched a US flag before dispersing peacefully.
    It was the first rally in Pakistan after the United States announced that bin Laden had been killed in an overnight commando mission in Pakistan.
    Organisers said between 1,000 and 1,200 people attended the rally, but witnesses put the figure closer to 800.
    „Bin Laden was the hero of the Muslim world and after his martyrdom he has won the title of great mujahed (Muslim fighter),” Asmatullah said.
    „His martyrdom will not end the movement. It will continue and thousands more bin Ladens will be born,” he said.

    Demonstratii pro Osama in Ierusalim: Arabs Riot in Jerusalem Over Bin Laden’s Demise, Hamas Angry

    While most of the free world praised the United States for having rid it of arch-terrorist Bin Laden, the Hamas organization – which has recently all but merged with Fatah, headed by Mahmoud Abbas – condemned the act.

    Similarly, Arabs in the village of Silwan, adjacent to the City of David neighborhood in Jerusalem, rioted Monday night in protest over the elimination of Osama Bin Laden. The rioters threw stones at police and attempted to block roads.

    The Gaza-based website Al Qassam reports that Gaza leader Ismail Haniyeh, the head of the local Hamas chapter that runs Gaza, told reporters on Monday that Bin Laden was an „Arab holy warrior.”

    Meeting with journalists in his office in Gaza City, Haniyeh said, „If this news [of Bin Laden’s killing] is true, then this means that it is part of the American policy based on the oppression and bloodshed in the Muslim and Arab world.”

    Haniyeh expressed his strong condemnation for the killing or assassination of Bin Laden, whom he referred to as „Mujahed” – someone in engaged in jihad, holy war against infidels. He said he was praying for mercy for Bin Laden.

  37. Liviu CrăciunSpune:

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    Rush Limbaugh gives praise to Lord Obama…

    „Ladies and gentlemen, we need to open the program today by congratulating President Obama,” Limbaugh said. „President Obama has done something extremely effective and when he does, this needs to be pointed out. President Obama has continued the Bush policies of keeping a military presence in the Middle East. He did not scrub the mission to get Bin Laden. In fact, it may be that President Obama single-handedly came up with the technique in order to pull this off.”
    […]
    „You see the military wanted to go in there and bomb. They always do. They wanted to go in there and drop missiles and launch bombs. A number of totally destructive techniques here. But President Obama, perhaps the only qualified member in the room to deal with this, insisted on the Special Forces. No one else thought of that. President Obama. Not a single intelligence adviser, not a single national security adviser, not a single military adviser came up with the idea of using SEAL Team 6 or any Special Forces,” Limbaugh said, with what some are saying is a slight tinge of sarcasm in his delivery.

    „Our military wanted to go in there and just scorch the earth,” Limbaugh continued, „but President Obama single-handedly understood what was at stake here. He alone understood the need to get DNA to prove the death … it was President Obama single-handedly and alone who came up with the strategy that brought about the effective assassination of Osama bin Laden,” the radio host said, concluding, „Thank God for President Obama.”

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.co…..obama.html

  38. Liviu CrăciunSpune:

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    dailysquib (un soi de catavencu, tot de stinga si la ei):

    Osama Yet to Release Long Form Death Certificate

    ISLAMABAD – Pakistan – Millions of people worldwide are demanding that the death of Osama Bin Laden be proven with the release of his long form death certificate.
    „I don’t believe he died yesterday until I see his long form death certificate. I saw a few photoshopped pics but I want to see the actual long form,” an Osama bin Laden death doubter revealed to CNN.

    http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/wo…..icate.html

  39. Costin A.Spune:

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    Pelosi pe vremea lui Bush: Getting Bin Laden Won’t Make Us Safer.
    Pelosi in 2011: “Historic” Killing of Bin Laden “Greatest Development” in Fight Against Terror

    Nancy Pelosi, press conference, September 7, 2006:

    Even if [Osama bin Laden] is caught tomorrow, it is five years too late. He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But, in fact, the damage that he has done … is done. And even to capture him now I don’t think makes us any safer.

    Nancy Pelosi, earlier today:

    The death of Osama bin Laden marks the most significant development in our fight against al-Qaida. … I salute President Obama, his national security team, Director Panetta, our men and women in the intelligence community and military, and other nations who supported this effort for their leadership in achieving this major accomplishment. … The death of Osama bin Laden is historic.

  40. Costin A.Spune:

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    anjem choudary, despre care s-a mai vorbit aici in trecut.. islamistul cel mai „controversat” in marea britanie
    http://inliniedreapta.net/moni…..secintele/
    http://inliniedreapta.net/lovi…..l-tuturor/
    http://inliniedreapta.net/cres…..usulmanii/
    http://inliniedreapta.net/saria-in-marea-britanie/


    Pe scurt: „Osama bin Laden: un guru, musulman devarat, luptator pentru libertate, martir, etc, etc”

  41. Liviu CrăciunSpune:

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    asta face toti banii

    trebusoara a fost facuta de „Dick Cheney’s special assassination squad” care in urma unei triple revolutii in plan vertical in jurul extremitatii numite in mod popular cap s-au transformat in mandatul cistigatorului nobelului pt pace in eroi aparatori ai pacii si preteniei intre popoare

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/05…..anup-crew/

  42. euNukeSpune:

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    hussein obama, in interviul CBS de aseară, admite implicit că este participant la mişcarea ideologică şi teroristă alqaeda:
    „Certainly there is no doubt among al Qaeda members that he is dead. So we don’t think that a photograph in and of itself is going to make any difference.”

  43. euNukeSpune:

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    link pt interviu
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-50…..03544.html

  44. SilvaproSpune:

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    Dar de unde aveau americanii DNA-ul lui Osama ben-Laden, ca se compare semplele?

  45. emil b.Spune:

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    Greu de spus. Dar, in 2001, americanii l-au vinat pe Bin Laden in zona Tora Bora din Afganistan. Locul din care a fugit Bin Laden ar fi putut sa contina fire de par, mucuri de tigari, perie de dinti, unghii, singe. Din toate acestea se poate extrage DNA.

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